tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734902152162231132.post496254269262706162..comments2023-10-09T13:33:24.033-07:00Comments on Aussie Pete: 'Instant' Citizens?... I Think NotAussie Petehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04893185575367843149noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734902152162231132.post-39076097709967715242013-10-29T06:19:03.582-07:002013-10-29T06:19:03.582-07:00Hey Pete- My kid girl went to Oz to get her degree...Hey Pete- My kid girl went to Oz to get her degree and she said it was the happiest moments of her life.<br /><br />From the Bottom of my heart I thank you and your people and country<br />- Singapore IndianAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734902152162231132.post-39322104105951429122013-09-05T01:46:13.962-07:002013-09-05T01:46:13.962-07:00wow didn't that take some time to mull over. ...wow didn't that take some time to mull over. I might be taking kavadi to that song next year. All songs of the heart are religiousAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734902152162231132.post-17290289700493881782013-08-25T10:31:34.607-07:002013-08-25T10:31:34.607-07:00fan-f****ing-tastic Oz music.
No wonder pete don&#...fan-f****ing-tastic Oz music.<br />No wonder pete don't change his country<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo2qQmj0_h4<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734902152162231132.post-32742789054289671412013-08-22T20:23:21.885-07:002013-08-22T20:23:21.885-07:00I think in the end only those who are willing to f...I think in the end only those who are willing to fight kill and die for country truly deserve to be called sons/daughters of soil. Citizenship is all legality. As someone here pointed out, dual citizenship is always there.<br />2 cases in point.<br />1) !969 riots in Malaysia, some Malay soldiers went rogue. They shot at Chinese. But no Chinese soldiers to defend- why? Because Chinese hardly go into army/defense services - they rather do commerce.<br />2) Indians in Fiji have been there for generations- but again very little representation in the forces- again they do the commerce.<br />when their party won the elections, the native Fijian army stepped in with coup. Again no Indian soldiers because there were so few in the army/defense services<br />The question now begs is this? How many willing to stay and fight in times of conflict. That's the true litmus test- cannot be tested until it happens.<br />In the meantime maybe PR's pay higher taxation rates per bracket?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734902152162231132.post-16379845820318203392013-08-22T05:05:46.384-07:002013-08-22T05:05:46.384-07:00Here are a few words that might mean more than any...Here are a few words that might mean more than any thread of arguments<br /><br />"AH DOODOODOO AH DAHDAHDAH <br />THATS ALL I WANT TO SAY TO YOU"<br /><br />immortal words from the PoliceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734902152162231132.post-35218437063255923162013-08-22T02:44:36.714-07:002013-08-22T02:44:36.714-07:00lets face it lah.
If you're white you are warm...lets face it lah.<br />If you're white you are warmly welcomed by the majority race. Irregradless of circumstances.White is right or the AMTK syndrome. (they just LOVE white people over here)<br />And to that Indian guy who is telling off Pete for not taking up Singacitizen, please wake up and smell the coffee. You're INDIAN. You're NOBODY in this country- even if you die for it. C'mon keep your mouth shut and GET ALONG TO GO ALONG. your opinion not respected. I'm Indian btw. Just telling it like I see it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734902152162231132.post-72270006458970638552013-08-22T00:42:02.293-07:002013-08-22T00:42:02.293-07:00hey Pete hasn't it become absolutely boring fo...hey Pete hasn't it become absolutely boring for you here, cos it's so easy for you ( and most, if not all white people)?<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734902152162231132.post-86417889741586241712013-05-23T11:09:10.787-07:002013-05-23T11:09:10.787-07:00It is irresponsible for an MP to say anything whic...It is irresponsible for an MP to say anything which seeks to classify a citizen by the color of their skin, the number of generations of citizenship, or the country of origin. <br /><br />Lets face it, once the government decides to award someone a citizenship, it is our collective responsibility to treat the person as one of us. <br /><br />If we feel that the government is issuing too many citizenships, we should protest in a democratic way, and force the government to make the approval criteria for citizenship applications more stringent (for FUTURE applicants).<br /><br />Any talk of treating a person who is already a citizen as a second class citizen - is totally inappropriate - irrespective of the motives that person might have had. It was our reponsibility as Singapore government to have checked those motivations when we issued the person a citizenship. After issuing it, we can't start calling them some second class kind of person. We need to take ownership for our past actions - even as we certainly can discuss and try to drive changes in future policy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734902152162231132.post-31054312815795114132013-05-23T11:05:57.991-07:002013-05-23T11:05:57.991-07:00It is irresponsible for an MP to say anything whic...It is irresponsible for an MP to say anything which seeks to classify a citizen by the color of their skin, the number of generations of citizenship, or the country of origin. <br /><br />Lets face it, once the government decides to award someone a citizenship, it is our collective responsibility to treat the person as one of us. <br /><br />If we feel that the government is issuing too many citizenships, we should protest in a democratic way, and force the government to make the approval criteria for citizenship applications more stringent (for FUTURE applicants).<br /><br />Any talk of treating a person who is already a citizen as a second class citizen - is totally inappropriate - irrespective of the motives that person might have had. It was our reponsibility as Singapore government to have checked those motivations when we issued the person a citizenship. After issuing it, we can't start calling them some second class kind of person. We need to take ownership for our past actions - even as we certainly can discuss and try to drive changes in future policy.PAThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15510193580816674787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734902152162231132.post-74045178722120411162013-03-28T11:35:20.210-07:002013-03-28T11:35:20.210-07:00What I like about you Pete, is that unlike many ot...What I like about you Pete, is that unlike many other Westerners over here (including Aussies), you have a deep respect for our way of life, culture and you do your bit to integrate as much as you can. Haven't met too many of those types, the only other person I know just like you is another Aussie chap I met recently from Perth, who seemed to excited about everything in S'pore despite being here for years. <br /><br />What I dislike though is this : You still haven't done your best yet. As long as you remain an Aussie and a PR over here, you are still going to be a foreigner, an outsider. You can't have it both ways. You've planted your roots here, your'e committed to our country, your kids are being raised over here, yet you choose to remain an Australian? A safety net perhaps? Or issit just a mental block against taking on a new identity and renouncing the old one? <br /><br />I'm not going to go into what the Singaporean Core is. But those of us who are part of it, think alike, have similar lifestyles, attitudes and a sense of brotherhood that's been forged over years, regardless of whether we are of the Chinese, Indian or Malay stock. I'm of Indian descent myself, but my family has been here before the 2nd World War, and my forefathers have contributed loads to Singapore just as I have done. That goes for everyone else in the Singaporean Core. Instant citizens, yes, it's instant citizens and not new citizens ( the citizenship process in Singapore isn't as difficult as you make it out to be. Nowhere near the sacrifices real Singaporeans have made to build this nation ), mostly have questionable allegiance and frankly most are here to use Singapore as a springboard to other places in the West. Simply put, most don't deserve to be here and we are not going to call them Singaporean.<br /><br />As for yourself mate, you are not even one of us. You are Australian, period, so by right you shouldn't be engaging in discussions like this. First renounce your Australian citizenship, continue with your efforts to integrate, raise your kids as purely Singaporean, and then we can discuss once again as to whether you are one of us. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734902152162231132.post-49428825031966685172013-02-19T06:03:54.952-08:002013-02-19T06:03:54.952-08:00Dear all - thanks for the feedback - will answer t...Dear all - thanks for the feedback - will answer the questions when I'm back from business travel (intermittent access in China due to GFW). Cheers, Pete<br /><br />Jayjay - SG govt will not allow children born here to have citizenship unless one or both parents are citizens (a whole other - and interesting - discussion). ;)Aussie Petehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04893185575367843149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734902152162231132.post-45690514505501798222013-02-14T00:57:46.844-08:002013-02-14T00:57:46.844-08:00Take up our Citizenship mate and show them
BTW y...Take up our Citizenship mate and show them <br /><br />BTW your children have dual citizenships?<br /><br />jayjayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734902152162231132.post-53038393168965200562013-02-07T06:03:40.960-08:002013-02-07T06:03:40.960-08:00del
You and the other xenophobes are dangerous wh...del<br /><br />You and the other xenophobes are dangerous when you mouth off about how it takes generations to become a Singaporean.<br /><br />What about Chen Show Mao? He wasn't born in Singapore. Is he any less Singaporean than you? You guys are an embarrassment to our nation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734902152162231132.post-36090479969218847222013-02-07T01:50:58.102-08:002013-02-07T01:50:58.102-08:00del
You are just being offensive. I was born her...del<br /><br />You are just being offensive. I was born here and I serve my NS too. But I don't speak Singlish and I don't speak Hokkien. Are you saying that I am less of a Singaporean than you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734902152162231132.post-84628752659554447122013-02-07T01:05:21.955-08:002013-02-07T01:05:21.955-08:00I am a male, born here, bred here, served NS as an...I am a male, born here, bred here, served NS as an officer, still doing reservist and working in S'pore. I get your point; to define how true blue you are by how many generations before you are born in S'pore is absurd!! Can anyone define what is a S'porean?? My grandfather will define it differently from me. I say screw the definition, taking up citizenship welcomes you into the same boat as us. However, I say to those that just want to retain their PR statuses.....don't pretend to call Singapore your home. Don;t expect to have the same benefits of a citizen. Fair?<br />Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00921450189303026817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734902152162231132.post-27721564553817283782013-02-06T23:58:29.227-08:002013-02-06T23:58:29.227-08:00Well, Sylvia is referring to those newcomers who a...Well, Sylvia is referring to those newcomers who are granted citizenship within months or a few years, especially those with million$$$. If you have been here for decades and decide to take up citizenship, then obviously you are not instant citizen, but new citizen or naturalized citizen.<br /><br />Yes, "instant citizen" is meant to be demeaning and as a slap to the government's cheek. Just like instant trees which topple when there are heavy rains.Thehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02941744057903049051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734902152162231132.post-22536456400061662662013-02-06T20:20:16.964-08:002013-02-06T20:20:16.964-08:00http://www.tremeritus.com/2013/02/06/instant-citiz...http://www.tremeritus.com/2013/02/06/instant-citizens-i-think-not/#comment-859293Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734902152162231132.post-28347379823167576462013-02-06T19:15:05.008-08:002013-02-06T19:15:05.008-08:00Since you think you have what it takes, then you s...Since you think you have what it takes, then you should ASK YOURSELF how many generations it will take for you to speak Singlish every single day like I do and have the ability to speak in Hokkien with hawkers ( i aint a hokkien). <br /><br />When you have the answer, you will know the response to that question you posed when you signed off in this article.<br /><br />god, aussies....<br /><br />delAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734902152162231132.post-91992037487289671452013-02-06T19:06:47.263-08:002013-02-06T19:06:47.263-08:00@Johnson,
Immigrants are usually not integrated t...@Johnson,<br /><br />Immigrants are usually not integrated to be the core citizens of any country. This is true for any nation.<br /><br />For example, immigrant Asians into USA are not integrated well as Americans BUT their children who are born, bred and educated in the States becomes the 1st generation Americans.<br /><br />This is a fact for all countries. <br /><br />Pete just have to accept this - only his children, if they experience the full spectrum of the Singaporean life, will identify themselves as 'Singaporeans'.<br /><br />I have also personally seen this in many immigrant friends of mine - the parents and children have different national identities.<br /><br />The blog entry by Pete shows that he has several lapses in the Singapore experience bcos he basically, isn't born and raised here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734902152162231132.post-40916490700079760792013-02-06T17:33:15.798-08:002013-02-06T17:33:15.798-08:00Who is the person who said this rubbish: "our...Who is the person who said this rubbish: "our great-grand parents came from China, Arabia, Malay Archepelago and India 100 of years ago. Technically, it takes abotu 2-3 generations before they get infused into a big family and culture." Technically? What technically? Is there some sociological study that proves this? I'm born in Singapore and I did my NS here. Are you saying I am not infused with Singapore culture just because my mother was born in Malaysia? You guys are really prejudiced. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734902152162231132.post-24655979866408136752013-02-06T17:26:15.785-08:002013-02-06T17:26:15.785-08:00Why are there so many Workers Party fans who read ...Why are there so many Workers Party fans who read your blog? They are an extremely sensitive bunch. The slightest criticism of a WP politician and they are up in arms. They are also very presumptious, accusing you of living in a condo on an expat package, etc. One has even called you "young"!<br /><br />Don't mind them. The majority of Singaporeans are decent and fair-minded. You have raised a good point in your blog and reasonable people understand what you are saying. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734902152162231132.post-50875569313203761882013-02-06T09:05:04.982-08:002013-02-06T09:05:04.982-08:00As usual you've written from the heart and alw...As usual you've written from the heart and always concerned of feelings of others. As usual I'm both amused and disappointed by some of the comments of my fellow Singaporeans. Some very ignorant try and tell what person you are. They don't know your two boys born and bred in Singapore, that you live in HDB, that you well loved in your community and that you are a passionate grassroots leader and active volunteer in CCMC and CDWF raising money for needy Singaporeans. Instead they just see the colour of your skin and that your a foreigner. But we all know who you are and where your heart lies - God bless you, Sammi and the boys. You are an inspiration to the majority of us and don't need to worry about ignorant few.Johnsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734902152162231132.post-67476875026261648982013-02-06T09:02:17.159-08:002013-02-06T09:02:17.159-08:00Dear Pete,
Like many others, I also do not underst...Dear Pete,<br />Like many others, I also do not understand why you preface your commentary with the first paragraph. You clearly ARE entering the debate about the Singapore government's white paper. You enter the debate by commenting on a particular MP's words of opposition to the paper. Of course, I find it perfectly okay and even admirably that you want to contribute to the discussion. I am just confused why you are at pains trying to say that you are not. What else are you doing if not entering the debate?Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734902152162231132.post-89755724223109478902013-02-06T08:46:37.679-08:002013-02-06T08:46:37.679-08:00By writing a blog piece about what Sylvia Lim said...By writing a blog piece about what Sylvia Lim said about "Instant Citizens", you have already stepped into the debate of the Singapore Population White Paper. Something you mentioned specifically in the first paragraph that you did not wish to enter or participate.<br /><br />You are a foreigner, regardless of your resident status. Until you live and know the daily struggles of the average Singaporean, live as in earning a local salary and not some extravagant expat package living in a condo, you will never understand the frustrations of these "Instant Citizens" that are causing major grief amongst Singaporeans.<br /><br />Your blog post only shows your ignorance, young one. Stay in Singapore for more than 20 years. Marry a Singaporean girl and have sons who will serve the army, then I will respect you and your views a bit more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3734902152162231132.post-78205441716521706572013-02-06T04:57:52.655-08:002013-02-06T04:57:52.655-08:00If, and when, we decide to personally apply for ci...If, and when, we decide to personally apply for citizenship of this wonderful country we call home, personal sacrifices would need to be made...<br />Yes this probably only applies to ppl with citizenship from AUstralia, US etc. ppl from India, Phillipines, China can't wait to give up their citizenship for a passport that allows them travel to any country without restrictions as opposed to their own country's passport where they are required to get a visa to travel anywhere. I am in Canada and a pinoy told me this, there are many filipinos in sgp and they are there becos they can't get into any western countries when they were in Phillipines so they get a singapore citizenship and then apply for PR to the western countries from singapore becos it is much easier to do so with a singapore citizenship. Unlike immigrants who migrate to Western country, Immigrants here do not respect the singapore way of life, our customs, our culture, our langugage they do not make any effort to integrate becos they do not see Sgp as their home , sgp is only a halfway hse/ a stepping stone/ a hotel for them. their final destination is a western country - US, Canada, Australia, NZ etc. If you are a Singaporean how would you feel, to see these ppl coming here to take advantage of your country?<br />Slyvia Lim's comments represent the sentiments of the majority of sgporeans, if you are a PR who wish to integrate and is interested in the affairs of the country, perhaps you may wish to take the time to try to understand the concerns of the people you live and work with Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com